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For the record I didn't "tell" you or anyone else - it was a polite request. Sorry you felt you had to defend yourself. See, two can play that childish "I never actually said it" game, though I'd prefer not to as it is rather unseemly and doesn't fool anyone  But to get back to the subject of this post, and your concerns, I pointed out that even an infrequent blogger like me can get to the top of the list, even if only for a short time. So yes, you are wrong in thinking that people who only post once or twice a week will have far less visibility. Though as Aryana has been at pains to point out, the aim is not to give visibility to bloggers, but to content. The emphasis is on quality of posts, not popularity (or even visibility) of individuals. However, why would anyone be discouraged from producing a quality post even if the new rules did reduce the visibility of that post? You say that the system will discourage quality blogs but you haven't said how or why it would discourage them. There are many bloggers who have little visibility but who consistently produce posts of a very high quality - these people aren't discouraged by their lack of fame, why would that change with the new system?
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Well now you're talking  It is true I never seem to understand what you say! But reporting and banning are not my line of business, I have no need for that. It's open discussion in my blog, even if people leave opposite comments. I am not perfect, I prefer to hear the other side too. But as you have the facts clear, I'm sure you have reported those bloggers in question. Awaiting to see the results. Have to ask as I don't know who those speed bloggers etc, your 'spammers' are, how have they been doing in the new system??? Only universal or also in Scotland Where to start my day or is it month Of course I39ll change I39ll do whatever you like Heatseeking missiles  Squirter's life
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Check your inbox for my comment. Thanks
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... and yet incredibly, no less blatant or shocking than my last shameless attempt  But you of all people have got to admit it'd be fun, I think you'd find such a melee 'just wonderful' 
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Well, you haven't been particularly antagonistic on this post.. but, in recognition of your history here, you are of course a full honarary life member of the AFFing home for protagonists and antagonists.. the Argumentative Sods Society Btw, how do you rate the ASS ? I've got a team of consultants standing by to analyse the new algorithms and formulate the perfect strategy to ascend the new slippery pole.. now all I need is tits
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MEEEE !! MEEEEEEEE !!!! It's all about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!
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Oh Well, if you won't give any reasoning behind your assertion that "this system will discourage quality blogs" then please don't be offended if it is assumed that you have retracted your statement. Or, if you stand by your words we should take up Spirit's kind offer and debate it out on his blog... 
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"This is a community post that is open to all members. You are not a moderator. You have no right to tell others what they can and can't discuss." Wow, could not have said it better myself... So are you saying you are Aryana?? Or how could she reply on your behalf!!! You are putting her in a very bad position. If you come here to discuss, be ready to discuss then, don't hide behind other people. And be prepared to prove your facts and defend your statements with examples etc if you say, claim something. Otherwise we cannot see your point if no kind of evidence, proof, example, not even discussion. In your own blog you can ban and block people, this is PUBLIC forum. And you're welcome. Only universal or also in Scotland Where to start my day or is it month Of course I39ll change I39ll do whatever you like Heatseeking missiles Squirter's life
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No, no, no!  Haven't you been reading? This system will discourage quality blogs! The site has intentionally come up with a mechanism to deprive the blogs of quality content!  If the top blogger is no longer top then it must follow that a non-top-blogger is, and by definition a non-top-blogger has to be inferior - reducing the overall quality of blog content. It is... inevitable...
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Awww Don't be such a meanie.. cum and join in the fun.. for old times sake.. you can use my blog to remove it from this arena can get it out of the way of these nice people and their attempt at having a debate.. c'mon, you know you want to really
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And your banned list and the places where you're banned
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I am by no one's definition a voice of reason but I just read the comments of Sandra, Spirit, JonThomas, InterestedParty, OldgreyMatter, etc and just laughed till I got a belly ache. Sandra, you are hugely popular and beloved by many but you have little substance and your responses often contradict your position. Define what is a "quality blog". that will be interesting. Jon, you only show up on posts that create "drama" - why should anyone take you seriously? Spirit, calm down - you are no better than anyone else. You have incited riot and offered little reason. Old Grey - you are just incomprehensible not to mention gross, trashy and foolish, while trying to incite to riot. InterestedParty - same comment. sometimes very funny but many times just fanning the fire of unrest and hate. The lindo guy in the kilt - same comment. The motorcycle Koffla, same comment RedNeck Grl - yuck just yuck. Why does Sandra think you are a "quality blogger"? and most of all that Chuck/Atomic, you are the worst of the worst in trying to incite blog war. Why? Why Leave each other alone - Mind your business and let the company do with the site as it thinks best. Banned from all I am sure.
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The question of quality: I would like that to be left out. One reason being: Communication is the key in human relationships. Blogs allow people to speak and express themselves. Learn better how to do it and what to avoid perhaps. Even a bit more than usually tends to be better, but people should not be compared to the others who are more skilled in writing. I'd like to give new bloggers and unexperienced writers time! Then thought about one option: What will happen to Magazine??? Magazine and Blogland seem often like the same thing with different name... As Magazine sounds more powerful, perhaps the 'quality' blogs could move over there... Only universal or also in Scotland Where to start my day or is it month Of course I39ll change I39ll do whatever you like Heatseeking missiles Squirter's life
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Oh, don't encourage it Sandra ! It's just a wannabe drama merchant
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And now it's "I WON'T PLAY UNLESS I CAN BE NUMBER ONE!"
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I too see blog bullies...right here on this page. All that is wanted is a blog page where it features more than the "same old same old". There is no reason for the "postured outrage" that is being demonstrated here. There will always be that ONE person who hates everything that doesn't go their way. I find the way that said ONE is really ragging on any other blog that isn't their own. I find that very unappealing. How can that ONE blog be the only quality blog here? We are all interested in many different things...who am I to say what is "good blogging"...and who is anyone else to say that? I just don't understand the hostility towards doing something that is fresh and new. I'm ready for someone to lay in the floor and start kicking and beating their fists...holding their breath til they get their way...like a two year old. I thought this was an adult site. I say give the new stuff a chance... Thanks.
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I said I'd be back when I had looked in to it and here I am. Since first reading this post I have had the link open in a separate tab while I have been on the site. I have checked it every hour or so.....refreshing each time and I like it. I have seen bloggers of every gender category there at one time or another....while I do admit that there are more female bloggers showing regularly it is not just they who have appeared. In any case female bloggers do attract more attention...even old ones lol!!! I have seen bloggers I have never come across before....some of them very new bloggers....read the posts and am now watching a few of them. I hope that they fulfill the promise that these posts show. I would not normally have used the "list" to find new blogs to read....in fact I tend to avoid the top bloggers....but I like this and feel that this will add to the way I find new bloggers...add but not replace for I have always checked out the blogs of new commenters on my blog and also gone to blogs when I have seen someone leave what I consider to be an interesting, well thought out or witty comment. I am not getting into a discussion about what is or isn't a quality blog as that is a subjective thing. I know what I like to read and that's all that matters to me. But I do NOT like the drama and backbiting caused by the current list.....or in fact displayed here. This test page has ensured that I have been able to view what is current and to see a wide selection of types of blogs. I am fairly confident that this will be a good move and that Blogland as a whole will benefit. ~~Anais Nin~~
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These are the Aims and Objectives. Please read. of the group, Bloggers United! which I moderate. And a link to a post about my home town, Glasgow ,I hope you enjoy it!
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My two cents in this whole matter for what it's worth... popularity and respect on this site comes because you earn it, not because you scream the loudest for it... Myself; I think we should leave the blogs the way they are, and maybe incorporate the Magazine section as a way to highlight new and upcoming bloggers...That would make a little more sense to me, rather than try to rebuild the wheel We all come here for a reason and we all bring something to the table while were here...some are good and others not so good...That's Life...But that's also this thing we call blogville.... some times the things that comes from between my ears makes me pause for reflection
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Aryana, sometimes you are a genius... I have been reading some comments on some posts about the rotating lists and been looking a little at the output of the existing six test systems... they do appear to throw up a variety of different blogs covering all grouping here and each has it's own merits and downsides so the idea struck me as follows... Rotate the lists... We have (currently) 8 rotating lists coded and on test already, but no one actually needs to decide if one is better than the other we can rotate the lists as well..... sounds silly initially but... On first login one of the eight lists is chosen at random - say for example List 4 - and upon a page refresh List 5 is display and again on a refresh List 6, List 7, List 8, List 1,2,3 and back to List 4... and the system could scroll through all lists upon each page visit/refresh. (It could be a little more complex, such as changing the list every 60 seconds automatically, ie moving from list 4 to list 5 etc after a period - but that might be an extra development). Any members "current" list number could be saved in a cookie and updated with each page refresh.. or maybe there is a simpler way to achieve this. What does this achieve? While each list might have 20 posts on it, using a series of rotating lists could expose 360 posts. Althougt many posts will make more than one list - a quick check shows that the initial six lists were exposing up to 100 posts per refresh. It allows new extraction lists to be added if other new ideas are put forward (just like list 7 and list 8 were added today). Not all members would see the same list at the same time as the each member would be looking at one of the various lists. If any list manipulation is possible it matters little as there are other lists that page visitors will see so list manipulation would be meaningless. Personal comments.... I would like to see the effect of a 7 day rather than 2 day decay period... just some people may miss blogs if they do not log in every day - but this may make the list too "old" I accept, but it helps get exposuse to bloggers who only post weekly as well. But this is a personal opinion, others may feel that they should get better exposure if they blog every day. I would prefer if bloggers could have only one post per list (their top post) as the idea is to expose more bloggers, and a list with two or three posts by the same blogger may "hide" other people and, once one post is read, members can decide to stay and read others without having extra posts on any one list. Active posts may make all lists for a while but this is no problem as users see only one list at a time. It helps expose the really active posts. No system is perfect and none will keep everyone happy but, if the idea of using several lists in rotation was implemented it would allow the criteria to be tailored upon implementation without affecting everything. Extra lists could be added or removed as experience shows their effect. (Just as Ranking Option 7: Random, and Ranking Option 8: Random with at least one comment have been added to the test page). Finally, thanks for all the effort and feedback put into this... I am just trying to be helpful and add my two cents worth without offending or upsetting anyone or suggesting that they do not have legitimate concerns.
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Am I the only one to see the "celebrity mentality" on some of these comments? Asking people to not directly talk to them...but to talk to the "agent" who will then pass on the communication to the "celebrity". Really? It's just showing how this "list" has gone to people's heads. An inflated sense of "EGO" is showing it's true self. There are literally thousands of people on the blogs every single day...more than enough for everyone who blogs to have watchers...why the big deal about having your name in the top ten? Your watchers will still be there...cheering you on... If it truly is just about the pleasure of blogging...then this should be a non-issue. It comes down to that darn EGO again...it needs to be fed...with the admiration of others...it wants to be seen every day...it needs to be stroked constantly...it has become...quite literally...a seperate entity from the blogger it belongs to. We all blog for different reasons...some do so as a simple part of therapy for themselves...some do it because they love to write...some blog for the pure joy of blogging. And then there are those who blog selfishly...requiring of their readers to be faithful...and to join in...to stroke this "EGO" constantly in the blog...to tell this "EGO" how much it is desired...loved...and necessary for them to survive. It makes it's readers constantly reassure it that it is the best...the most beautiful...it reminds one of the witch in "Snow White"...frequently asking for reassurance that it is indeed...the most beautiful in all the land. And the very thought of not being all loved...not being shown as a number on a list...top or otherwise...is so undesirable...that threats of "hiding" or not blogging in a public forum are being thrown about. If this "EGO" were on board with the changes being talked about...it should really have no problem with this change. True beauty doesn't have to beg for people to tell them...real sincerity shines through...it is not selfish or unkind...and it doesn't play cruel games with people's minds. These changes should be made...it's time for some freshness around here...new blogs and commenters should be recognized...we are all just as good as the person next to us. Who gets to say who is quality and who isn't? I sure don't want that job! It's a judgement filled time bomb that needs to be diffused. And...this blog post is like the Carly Simon song...you're so vain...you probably think this post is about you... And if you do...then your EGO is doing the thinking for you. This is just a general post about some of the stuff I've read here. If you think this is about you...then it probably is. You need to check your EGO...it needs an overhaul. Not everyone loves you...not everyone "picks" on you...not everyone hangs on every word you say...we all have our own opinions of who's blog we like to frequent...and just because we don't find your blog appealing...we are not the "enemy" you make us out to be. And...to most of us...it doesn't mean anything. To you...it means blocking and banning and telling on people like a teachers pet. I know that not all people like me or what I'm saying...and I'm ok with that...it's life. I'm not going hide under a table and pout about it...I'm gonna keep on blogging...just like I have always done. Let's be adults here... Blog on fellow posters...blog on! Smooches!
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Aryana, I have been watching the test page for a few days now and I have to say that I've done a full u-turn on it. I think because you've tied the rankings into the age of the post - the newer the higher the rank - the half life of is posts is short and posts decay off the list reasonably quickly, giving new posts better exposure. It seems to me that whichever criterion/criteria you choose to combine with that, we'll have a regularly updated and refreshed page which will give exposure to so many more bloggers than before, and it will highlight the trending blogs which are generating interest and discussion. As McSirSpirit666wine suggested earlier, perhaps it would be good to combine as many of the criteria as is practical, but otherwise, if it has to be limited to a couple of measures I think it will work fine whichever ones are chosen. Well done, and by jove, I think you may have cracked it here!  I've also looked at the random options since you put them up, and those seem to work reasonably well too, I wondered if it would be possible to have a Trending list and a Random list? Maybe not, but either way, splendid work!!
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Aryana....as you know I have been using the test lists for a few days now. I am surprised to see that a blog which is on the recent posts list, was posted this morning and has over 40 comments but as of now is not showing on any of the lists. I would have thought it would appear on all 6 lists.......Is there a bug or is there the facility for members to opt out of inclusion in the new lists? ~~Anais Nin~~
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Am I the only one to see the "celebrity mentality" on some of these comments? Asking people to not directly talk to them...but to talk to the "agent" who will then pass on the communication to the "celebrity". Really? It's just showing how this "list" has gone to people's heads. An inflated sense of "EGO" is showing it's true self. There are literally thousands of people on the blogs every single day...more than enough for everyone who blogs to have watchers...why the big deal about having your name in the top ten? Your watchers will still be there...cheering you on... If it truly is just about the pleasure of blogging...then this should be a non-issue. It comes down to that darn EGO again...it needs to be fed...with the admiration of others...it wants to be seen every day...it needs to be stroked constantly...it has become...quite literally...a seperate entity from the blogger it belongs to. We all blog for different reasons...some do so as a simple part of therapy for themselves...some do it because they love to write...some blog for the pure joy of blogging. And then there are those who blog selfishly...requiring of their readers to be faithful...and to join in...to stroke this "EGO" constantly in the blog...to tell this "EGO" how much it is desired...loved...and necessary for them to survive. It makes it's readers constantly reassure it that it is the best...the most beautiful...it reminds one of the witch in "Snow White"...frequently asking for reassurance that it is indeed...the most beautiful in all the land. And the very thought of not being all loved...not being shown as a number on a list...top or otherwise...is so undesirable...that threats of "hiding" or not blogging in a public forum are being thrown about. If this "EGO" were on board with the changes being talked about...it should really have no problem with this change. True beauty doesn't have to beg for people to tell them...real sincerity shines through...it is not selfish or unkind...and it doesn't play cruel games with people's minds. These changes should be made...it's time for some freshness around here...new blogs and commenters should be recognized...we are all just as good as the person next to us. Who gets to say who is quality and who isn't? I sure don't want that job! It's a judgement filled time bomb that needs to be diffused. And...this blog post is like the Carly Simon song...you're so vain...you probably think this post is about you... And if you do...then your EGO is doing the thinking for you. This is just a general post about some of the stuff I've read here. If you think this is about you...then it probably is. You need to check your EGO...it needs an overhaul. Not everyone loves you...not everyone "picks" on you...not everyone hangs on every word you say...we all have our own opinions of who's blog we like to frequent...and just because we don't find your blog appealing...we are not the "enemy" you make us out to be. And...to most of us...it doesn't mean anything. To you...it means blocking and banning and telling on people like a teachers pet. I know that not all people like me or what I'm saying...and I'm ok with that...it's life. I'm not going hide under a table and pout about it...I'm gonna keep on blogging...just like I have always done. Let's be adults here... Blog on fellow posters...blog on! Smooches!
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